Category: Let's talk
hey all,
someone suggested we start a new topic because Give Us a break! Caitlin! Was getting too long. so here it is. Enjoy talking about everything and anything!
alison
I think we left of on premium membership...that would be cool, wonderwoman, if there could be age groups for premium members...like you go to the homepage and click on 20 through 30. or 15 and under. or 40 and up. That would be fun.
I disagree. If you start spitting the zoners up into age groups it won't feel like this complete web ccommunity it is now. I enjoy talking to random people and not caring if they are 12 or 45 and why would you really care unless you are looking for a date or a partner. You make your friends through the public notes and boards and stuff and you just hang out or chat with them. I would not like to see this site split up into groups whether it's interest or age groups, I think it would kind of ruin the experience for some of us. The best compromise I could think of and one that would not require much was to add a "sort by reported age" option to the user search field, that way you can look for people your age.
cheers
-B
Wildebrew I partly agree but if you limit the contact to only those of your own age you will never learn what others have to say and then you might miss out on some real insight or the chance of a damned good discussion.
Well, I'm 45, and I don't have anything against younger people, but honestly, I feel if Caitlin hadn't come along, I wouldn't really have any one much to talk to on here. I have been going through the profile viewer to see if I can find more people in my age range, but a lot of people chose not to put a year down in the birthday field, which of course is their right, but I can't tell if they're closer to my age or not. And I'm certainly not looking for a date. I think it's natural for people to want to talk to others in their age range. I sometimes feel a little bit strange on a sight where even the admins and community leaders are 20 to 25 years younger than I am. I'm a bit on the serious side, probably too serious for this site, but oh well. The age difference doesn't always matter, but sometimes there's this huge gap. I suppose it depends on the younger person or the older person. I have just enough youthful energy and mind that I can be a bit younger than my years.
wonderwoman
and the teens now have their own board. What's the difference? the only reason there isn't a board for 40 plus folk is because there is not enough older participation on the boards.
as for it being premium, well I don't think I'll ever go premium. If dsl lite comes in our area, and we can be switched from our current isp to bellsouth, we might sign up for it, but I don't know. Anyway, guess that's another topic, and no matter whose topic it is, if we go from one topic to another and it gets too long, the topic police will be after us again.
wonderwoman
Wonderwoman with the greatest respect I don't see what you can do about your predicament. You can't force forty-somethings to join the site, I'm afraid. Personally I'm 23, which is younger than a lot of people on here, but older than a lot of others and in some cases, a good deal older. The wonderful thing about a web community, surely, is that it enables you to converse with people of all sort sof age groups and get other people's perspectives. I'm afraid I just don't see what you can do about this, even if it is a problem for you, apart from go to another site which has a more varied membership.
I'm 22. I want a date. LOL. Seriously though, I don't care how old or young you are.. Talking to people is cool no matter what the age range is. *Smile* John
WonderWoman, it's funny though you took Caitlin as an example, if you had limited your friends group to people your age you would never have met her in fact, so that kind of proves my point. I understand your concerns but my point is that we're really too few (at least as-yet) on this site to justify splitting the users up into sub groups.
We never should. I'm also a member of the MSN cricket community adn that isn't split up into groups, ditto the BBc's test match special cricket forum. If you want to find someone your age then make the effort to look for them, and if they're not there that's unfortunate. If you were in a pub, or a bar, you wouldn't necessarily be able to limit your conversations to people of your age group, would you? well, not unless you went to a bingo hall or something. My point is substantially the same as Wildebrew's, so I'm really wasting all of your time continuing this post. Nothing changes eh?
Well, I was simply expressing an opinion, I never said I could do anything about it, but, usually, in the quicknotes, if you are not considered a part of the clan, you're pretty much ignored, or at least I was the first day. I couldn't get in to the conversation, and it wasn't for me, then someone brought up ventrilo, and there was something I had experience with, but when I tried to get in to that, I was ignored twice, so thats what happens as a result of age difference. No, I'm not trying to force anyone, and the whole bar point is moot anyway, because I don't drink, and never will.
wonderwoman
And as for my using Caitlin as an example, well, she's unusual and I mean that in the most positive way.
wonderwoman
And no, lawlord, you aren't wasting my time, I don't consider any post a waste, lol.
wonderwoman
WW, if you feel ignored like that, just keep trying. don't take it to heart. Sure, when people first join the site, I guess it's natural they are going to see, clicky clans because this has very much been a place to form friendships and revolve public convos around that sometimes but on the other hand, because the public quick note feature is there, anyone can join in and it is easier to pick up a convo and join in. I myself occasionally will say things on the QNs and get ignored. It happens. try not to take it all too heart so much. It doesn't mean they don't like you, maybe they all just accidently missed your message cos of games, etc. i know I don't always read the Qn's when I'm really into a game or something.
Keep on being yourself WW! :)
Hi rdfreak, thanks so much. I have come to accept it as a fact of life, I just find there is a contradiction in the fact, that the ones you get ignored by cry foul if someone even suggests splitting up the quick notes in to age groups. Thanks again rdfreak for understanding my point of view. I wasn't talking about anyone really. Private notes were always easier, because if anyone sent me a note, I could answer them much faster than I could if I had public notes on, because I wouldn't have a bunch of public quicknotes to go through till I found the one for me. Well, you probably know by now why I turned even private notes off as well. Anyway, thanks again,
wonderwoman
Hi All! First Alison, thanks for starting this topic. Secondly, I dunno what to think about the age groups. I like meeting people my own age, and near it, but I also like meeting people who aren't near it at all. And I think a lot of people would just lie about their age. So you can look at it both ways. And WW don't feel ignored, you're not! I think you're a great contributor on the site, and all the boards people know you!
Caitlin
hCaitlin dearie, just think, if this site separated age groups, you wouldn't have met me. and how absolutely tragic that would be?! hahahahaha be careful how you reply as well. I'll be in your state soon! ha ha ha :) Lol Lol
Heheheh I knooow! That's what I mean! I've met so many great friends, and I think the zone shouldnt' be separated into age groups at all. But if users watned to, they could select their age and hten it would show liek Group A, Group B, Group C, and you'd know. Though I think th word wouldn't be separating, just ... sorting? Lol? And yes, WdFweak, it would have been the tragedy of a lifetime not to have met you! XOOXoX lol!!!
Caitlin
now that would be very confusing! Lol
It prbably would. WdFweak knows best! Hehehe.
course I do! hahaha thanks for finally recognizing that fact! hahahahahaha oh dear, my head is getting too big for my bedroom! ah no, I can't fit through the doorway to fix meself some breakfast. oh no! If I don't survive here, it's all because of your um? kind? words! Lol hahaha
WdFweak. You arwe so cwazy! Muahahahahhaa!
Caitwin
Hi Caitlin, thanks so much, and I hope I didn't hurt your feelings by agreeing with someone about the splitting up of age groups. Actually, I don't think I brought it up, I think someone else suggested it, and I just agreed with it. Of course, even if the boards and quicknotes did split up in to age groups, you know I'd still come down to the general boards to talk to you.
I can talk to people of different ages, I think it's easier on the boards though, because when you post a message to a board, you're posting to people who may or may not be there, and who may or may not read your post later, because quicknotes are more immediate.
I can imagine younger people lying about their age, and some older people do too, but theirs is mostly a vanity reason. They want people to think they're younger than they really are. I don't know if you'll ever watched promised land on tv, it was a spin off of touched by an angle, and it was about this family who lived and traveled everywhere in their camper. The girl was talking to someone who she thought was 15, same age as she was, then when they met, the girl found out the woman was 75 years old, and she felt betrayed. The woman did it because once they found out how old she was, they just dropped her cold, and never spoke to her anymore. I could never lie about my age just to get someone to talk to me. By the end of the show though, the girl had gotten over it, and they were back to being friends again.
wonderwoman
I being the honest sort don't lie about anything let alone my age. I really don't see the point. I am who I am and people can accept me or not *shrug* It's the same to me either way. I'm 27, but I like talking with people of different ages. It's the person's personality that counts not their age.
hey WW, you soo remind me of how i use to be! don't get so parranoyed woman! Lol we are all entitled to our own opinions, and it doesn't mean we are going to be hated by those who don't always agree with us, (well for some people here I know of - no-one from zone) it seems to be the case in a big way, but normally you'll find those people have issues and so you shouldn't have to be so parranoyed! but like I say, I use to be deadset similar. I was so parranoyed that ppl would hate me for disagreeing with them.
WW, just a note, I wasn't crying foul, I was simply pointing out why this idea had its disadvantages. And you can't give up and judge peopple as not wanting you just like you don't want them to judge you. I know getting into public conversations takes time, people know each other, I don't think it's a cleque, it's just a fact of life that initially when you log on you first talk to the people you know and getting into a conversation or group takes a little bit of time and patience, the solution to that is not turning off the public quick notes and deciding that people will never give you a chance. And I'm not being demeaning or anything, you got a lot of cool board discussions and you seem to be very nice. LIk rp said, you just perhaps seem to take things a little too much to heart sometimes, it's ok if we don't all agree sometimes and it's good to voice different opinions. And it's not offensive to use a bar as an example of a place where different age groups mix and how easy/hard it is to strike up a converation, such an example is not implying that you do drink, it's simply an example of a social situation that is somewhat similar to this site. :) And drinking isn't bad, hehe, well, not in my opinion, I think it's fine to drink or not to drink, it's a lifestyle choice, that's all. :)
I mean, jeez, for those who have seen "Supersize Me" .. wow, McDonnald's is as bad as a severe drinking binge when eaten frequently.
cheers
-B
Oops, going to have to post this again, the server or something timed me out. Anyway, thanks rdfreak. Well that was only have the reason I turned off public quicknote, the other reason, well I won't go there, except to say if there is ever a set of save haven like notes, like the safe haven board, I will probably turn them back on. but anyhow, trying not to make this too long, cause that's probably what timed me out. I think it's a lot to do with being in different environments. I think feelings are sort of like muscles in a way. You know, when you first start excercising a lot and you aren't use to it, your muscles get hostile in their own way. Then after you do it enough, it gets more doable. I think it's probably the same way in chat environments, you never enjoy confrontation, but you get to where you can brace yourself for it, just like you do with heavy excercise. My time on a c, plus the words of a sweet but no nonsense woman toughened me up just a bit. And rd freak, if it were 26 years ago, and I were 19, the same age you are now, I wouldn't, couldn't have stayed here after a day, lol.
I still think talking to younger folk on boards is a lot easier than on quicknotes, or chat rooms, unless you're talking to someone like caitlin.
wonderwoman
Wild brew, I have a question for you. How would you feel, if things turned around, and there were mostly 40 plus people here, and only one or 2 in your age range? My mom has told me once that I come on too strong. Well, probably, but always concentrating on how to phrase something so it doesn't hurt someones' feelings, or doesn't make them mad is very difficult at times, and thinking for long periods of time before speaking has never been mystrength or long suit. She's afraid I'll hurt someones feelings, or that I'll stir a hornets' nest, and I'll get ganged up on. On the one hand, she told me I didn't have to walk on egg shells, then she said I was stirring up a hornets nest with this age thing, and splitting in to age groups. I told her I didn't start this topic, someone said it, and I just agreed with it. It's not the sort of topic I would've started on my own, because most folk on here are a great deal younger than I am, and I might've run the risk of offending the whole sight. I do try to curb the tendency to speak my mind too much, that's why I take a long time in responding or commenting, and it was one of the reasons I didn't post much when I first came on here.
I am curious to know how you'd feel, if it changed, and there were more older people and less younger people, as it's the other way around right now. I don't mean to offend any younger folk, I'm just curious. See? lol, this is what happens, when I just say what comes in to my head. That just popped in to my head, and I wrote it as it was coming.
wonderwoman
Hi WW! I totally agree with you, and understand where you're coming from! There's not so many younger zoners on here, like, aged like ... let's say, eight to fourteen, that's a really small group, and so I like to kind of draw the young ones together, so I see why you're trying to seek out people around your age, as well as others. It's only natural. Anyway, on another note, you're lucky that you're older, because you're wiser, and people respect you. I just left Ventrilo because people were being really nnoying to me, oh well. I wish Rachel had been on, she always protects me, as do otehrs, rotfl! Aaaanyways better go! Bye all!
Caitlin
Hi Caitlin,
Well you and Alison are sort of in the same situation, though I think, judging from the profiles, there are a few more in the 14 year age range, but as far as I know, Alison is the youngest zoner. And thank you for telling me about your experience with ventrilo, I was kind of looking forward to getting on the server on here, when and if I get dsl lite, but after reading your above post, I'm having second thoughts. Thanks again, and lets hope more people in both our ageranges come on here.
wonderwoman
Hi Wonderwoman. On the contrary, I would definitely encourage you to come on Ventrilo. I am usually treated quite decently on there. And, also, there are safe haven rooms on there, and I'd be happy to talk to you there, and I'm sure others would too. Not everyoen wants to talk dirty. Lol! Plus, if we do go into a discussion not under safe haven, and people start bugging you, I'll tell them off! Lol! I was just annoyed last night because I was trying to have a good time and certain people were just trying to razz me and I was just like, "Okay, I have better thigns to do with my time," and left. But I've had many a fun time on there, and so I would recommend your going on there heh!
Caitlin
Thanks Caitlin, well, if and when I get dsl lite, I'll check it out. I guess I will have to upgrade my ventrilo, because I have an older version of ventrilo. I don't think I would go in the rooms not for safe haven. If I do get to go on there sometime, you will always find me in a safe haven room. Not sure aboutdsl lite though, because it will cost 5 extra dollars a month to hook up my moms computer. She doesn't get on it much, and I'd hate to knockher out of it, but she says she'd just hook mine up, and look for something cheaper for her, or if she needed something to be looked up, I could do it, but I don't know. It's probably very hard switching from one isp to another. They don't even send anyone to put the dsl modems in for you.
wonderwoman
Hi WW. Yeah, they didn't send anyone to hook up our DSL either. My dad did it, and I was surprised it worked! Hehehe. Because he doesn't do much with the computer. I have to help him check his E-Mail. How sad is that? Lol. But in any case, I do hope you comeo n Ventrilo sometime, that would so totally rock! Lol!
Caitlin
Well I talk to anyone, no matter what age they are. But if there's a lot of people on here I tend to get ignored also. But that's what private quicknotes are for. Would be nice if you could set private quicknotes for sertain people.
Awww KT! I hope I've never ignored you! And thanks for calling into my streams with Derek lol!
Caitlin
Hi cool_turk, Another cool idea. Yes that would be nice. you could go in the persons profile, and there could be a link or checkbox or something thatsaid, allow quicknotes from this user. Or there could be a quicknote buddy list, in which you could add each person to your private quicknote list. That way you wouldn't have to keep turning them on and off to talk to someone, then go and look for that combox to turn them back off again.
I don't like being in crowded rooms. They're probably all in different rooms, but when I see that where it says, 11 users on voice chat, it looks like they're all in that one room. One disadvantage to ventrilo is you can't tell who is in what room before you go in, and you can't tell when someone comes in a room, unless you constantly move up and down the screen, otherwise they can sneak up on you, and be in there with you for ten minutes or longer before you even knew they were there.
wonderwoman
Yes I think the quicknote idea is a good one, and if I'm on the zone, I'd be happy to talk to you.
Thanks cool_turk. I always look to see where a person is on the sight. I don't like to quicknote anyone if they're in a game. It never bothered me, since I just do the anagram and hangman thing mostly to have something to do while I'm waiting for new posts on ongoing topics, or new topics in general, but some people are so addicted to the games, they don't like to be bothered. We'll have to have a quicknote conversation sometime.
wonderwoman
I don't mind being interupted while playing. If I didn't want anyone talking to me, I would turn off quicknotes. I actually find the games more enjoyable while talking to someone.
I actually got started in the anagrams and hangman, because while I'd be reading messages, or going through profiles, someone would start quicknoting me, and I'd start talking to them, but then they would just quit responding to me, and not even give me so much as a, have to go now, or anything, and when I went in to their profile to see where they were on the sight, they'd be in a game, and I'd think, well if they are so in to the game more than they are talking, why did they quicknote me anyway?And I'd be just sitting there waiting, so that's when I decided to get in to the games, so if someone continually did that to me, I'd have something to get back to, incase it took them a half hour to respond, or if the never did.
wonderwoman.
Here's a little trick for Ventrilo. If someone is anoying in a channel, just mute that person. I can't remember how to do it off the top of my head, but I know it's possible. I haven't muted anyone yet, and I hope I don't have too but if I have to I will.
Thanks kool_turk, that's a good thing if you can do that. I haven't logged on to ventrilo in a long time. Most of the servers are for broad band, and when I find a dial up server, there is hardly anyone in the rooms. And most of the servers when I log on, usually say can't connect to server. Servers go down, and the owners either aren'tmotivated to get them up and running, or they don't know how. People talk like ventrilo is popular, but there is hardly anyone in the rooms, at least not on the dial up servers.
wonderwoman
btw kool_turk, I have private notes on, and will keep them on till I have to get off and go to bed, one hour and 14 minutes, in case you want to talk.
wonderwoman
I personally don't think Ventrilo is that good. Almost everytime I go on I have to adjust my microphone. If only Ivocalize had full duplex.
hmm OK a few things after reading the messages I'd left for a while.
I personally believe having a buddy list will break the community down a bit, and it'd be a real shame. I think that msn and all them are sifficient for that. I don't believe the quicknote facility could get any better.
And Caitlin, i'm sorry to hear that you had such a terrible time in ventrilo last. I try and make sure it doesn't happen while I'm there (as should the rest of the admins and CL's). A lot of it seems to be done because of age. the fact that you're younger and people (even some of my close friends I hate to admit it) really really irritate me when they do this, and think they have more of a right to be there just because they're older. You're a lovely person, and I have to be honest and say that people are absolutely pig-headed if they pick on you just for being younger. If they only got to know you as a person, they would be sorry I'm sure.
But as KT said, you can mute users. you just route your jaws to your PC cursor, go to the person's name, right click and go to "users submenu" then you will find the "mute" option.
another thing too, WW in the Safe Haven group of rooms, I will include another, though i may not need too. CuppoJo seems like it may suit you.
A lot of the problem here too is that while you may just want inteligent conversation, from experience you will probably find the majority of people will tend to stick to the "anything goes" type rooms.
I don't know how much it will get used at this stage at least, but I can create a 40+ channel or whatever you think best.
Oh and also, there is now indeed a way of checking who is in what channel before you go into ventrilo. on the link before it lists the users on there (on the zone) it will have a link that announces the number of users on zone ventrilo. Just click on that, and that's the page you can monitor who's where.
oh and before I go, I'm not 19, i'm 25 (turning 26 too soon now *frown*) .. Liam is the CL who's only 19 Lol
Cheers! :)
HI Rachel! Hehehe awww thanks for all you said about Ventrilo and all. It wasn't so much that I was mad about being picked on, it's jsut that these particular people were saying annoying things just to annoy me, and I just got frustrated and bored and left. Lol! Anyway, don't worry about it, in general, I love Ventrilo and have lots of fun on there! Heehee! Hope to talk to all of you soon!
Caitlin
Ok, sorry don't know why I thought you were 19, guess I did my math too quick lol. Anyway, I don't know if it would be any point now, since I can't voice chat on the server because I'm on dial up. Kool_turk and I were just talking on quicknotes, and he said if I mute the audio, I could text chat. I don't know if that would work or not. I don't mint text chatting in a room that's all text chat, but don't know if It would go over well with everyone else voice chatting and me text chatting. I wonder if it wouuld work if I just didn't mute the audio, andmaybe I could hear people even if I couldn't voice chat? anyway, if I could in some way talk over there and you did create the room, maybe I could go on e-pals and bring people from there to it. anyway, I can't voice chat right now, but thanks so much for offering to create the room.